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Si Alex Bandiola Casipli (Left) kag si Mortz Celestial Ortigoza
(Right)kag ang ila nga referre sa debate nga si Former 5 - time
Speaker Joe de Venecia.
HAMBAL NI LUVIN CANDARI: Pnoy is against charter change, he is afraid that not only the restrictive economic provision will be touched but also the form and structure of government, the term limit, the anti dynasty provision will be revised, amended or changed. Why oh why? If he has no other agenda than the good of his people. Isn't it about time that we netizens must once again tell Pres Pnoy that indeed, charter change is now.
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Pearl Alba-donapel, Rolly Coronica and Rotacio Gravoso like this.Mortz C. Ortigoza Sa Charter Changed dapat ibalik ang U.S Bases tapos asked the Americans to put the base in Palawan. Solve ang intrusions ng Chinese warships and fishing vessels (Tagalog anay para sa tanan he he) May 27 at 9:20am · Like · 3 Rolly Coronica Indeed. May 27 at 10:47am via mobile · Like · 1
Alex Casiple Katilaw naman ta magpakatuta sa mga kano. Gamay lang nag asenso., Testingan ta ayhan ang intsik duman, basi damo damo gawa mabulahan... Amo ini kung waa ta sense of own identity. hehe! May 27 at 1:55pm · Like Candari
Luvin hahaha, ok ni nga angle, pero siling ni Henry Sy, John Gokongwei, Andrew Tan, Lucio Tan, Cojuanco, Philippines is our na, no need for conquest. May 27 at 8:00pm · Like
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Alex, the right term there is alliance with the Americans. Without them, expect intrusions of the Chinese. Ang indi ta pag asenso hindi sala ina sang Amerikano. Sala ta ina, sigi kita ka bata utod ta nga mga pobre nga wala sila paka-on. Wala sang will ang gobierno implement sang family planning sadto. Damo Foreign Direct Investment sa Asian neighbors naton while we groped in the dark about our galloping unemployment nga ang solution sina amend lang ang 60-40 xenophobic ta nga equity against sa foreign investors. With the Americans here, expect more economic and military aid to buttress our fledgling AFP. May 28 at 8:04am · Like · 2
Pearl Alba-Donapel Bongga gid kung ikaw ang mag kamada kuya Mortz Ortigoza ha bira.. manami gid ina nga preposition. May 28 at 8:14am via mobile · Like · 1
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Pearl, pasensiya ka na, naka inum ako sang Shoktong sang nag post ako dira sa U.S Bases. May 28 at 8:16am · Like · 1
Alex Casiple@Luvin: Amo ina ang principle sang soft power. Mars, daw problema gid sang US ang China kaysa problema naton. Waay man ta iya daku nga utang sa China. Ang problema basi kita iya himuon nga sangkalan sang US pa ra mara write- -off ila utang nga daw imposible na mabayran sa maayo nge estorya. Daw gyera duman solusyon inang utang nila kag kita ibutang sa front seat. Sako na bisita sang sa mga US warships dire sa aton. Basi panahon na i-activate ang secret weapons naton - The Royal Airforce ta sa Siquijor kag special forces ta under kay Commander Gimo. hehe May 28 at 10:25am · Unlike · 1
Jerry Reyes nga bata ni Nong Ponsing Reyes If Pinoy is against Charter Change nothing will happen in the Philippines . We cannot achieve reform and change if he will not initiate thru his Tuwid na Daan Program. May 28 at 6:11pm · Like · 1
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Alex , hahaha. Pero clear and present danger sa Pinas ang China karon. Nakita naman naton sa news napaka aggressive nila mag encroached sa Exclusive Economic Zone / territory naton. For example incursion nila karon with warship na guarding their more than 50 fishing vessels sa Reed Bank, about 80 nautical miles west of Palawan island at the southwestern end of the Philippine archipelago. Ang nearest territory nila sa China mga 400 nautical miles. Pag pinabaya-an naton ini ubos tanan nga oil and aquatic riched water territories and islets dira sa Spratly pati na ang Masinloc de Zambales nga tupad lang namon diri sa Pangasinan. May 29 at 7:35am · Like · 2
Alex Casiple Damo options: international mediation (amo na ginabuhat sang Pinas karon), bilateral nego (gusto sang China), gyerahon na lang (pabor sa US interest sa Asia kag sa mga arms traders).
Clear and present danger? kabalo man ta kun sin-o ang mahilig maggyera sa iban nasud. not China, soft power iya strategy sina unless kambyuhan nya ang "dams not bombs policy".
"Encroachment" is just an illusion. They are already inside, dugay na, unarmed but not dangerous, first shaped our one China policy just like the rest of the world, then bombarded us with cheap goods, penetrated the ranks of our tycoons with a maze of interlocking investments in our top corporations. They did that successfully with out firing a shot. And that is soft power. May 29 at 12:41pm · Like
Candari Luvin It is interesting to compare US and China's influence. Assuming we will be under either of the two super powers, which one would uproot us from kapobrehon? May 29 at 12:55pm · Like
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Alex, inang incessant encroachments i.e bullying sang China, majority sang Filipinos are scandalized and threatened about that. That would be a rallying point for them to call and ratify for a Charter Change. Besides, presence of the U.S military would be a deterrence to China to come to her senses that her capability vs. the U.S is still backward.
Options diri: 1) International Mediation (China doesn't want it even it is a signatory of United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea UNCLOS);
2) Bilateral (Patay ta da, they would bully us, Bakit Bilateral e mi arbitrary bodies kita like UNCLOS, International Court of Justice?).
Pamangkot ko: So ok lang sa imo inang patent ang blatant encroachments nila (Navy and civilian ships) by not only threatening (firing shots) Filipino fishermen but occupying some shoals and islets under our EEZ? May 30 at 8:43am · Edited · Like
Alex Casiple Its how we will handle the issue. If we chose to meet force with force (not even our own force) then whose interest do we truly serve above all?
After propping up dictators in the Middleeast then overthrowing them when they become intolerable, they are coming to Asia. The next question is why cant we be "brave" to confront Malaysia as we are with a more powerful China?
This double standards only shows that we are toeing some interests more than our own. Taiwan recently has shown us how to be bullied (militarily and economically) in the truer sense of the word. Where is US in the equation? Nada because Taiwan is not China as Malaysia is not China also.
Are we really fighting for our sovereignty or we are actually helping US to lay the foundation for the write off of its huge foreign debt from China?
Ti pili ta, sa mas gamay okon daku nga gamo?! Sa certified war freak or sa pretending to be war freak? whatever, basta indi lang ta mahimo nga ilintoon. Kadumdom ka sa estorya sang nagalubog nga barko? Singgit Pinoy Mabuhay ang Pilipino sabay tiklod sa intsik. Amo na iya, indi baliskad. haha! May 30 at 9:42am · Like
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Alex he he.inang issue ta sa Malaysia kag sa Taiwan, minuscule diplomatic row ina where involvement of the U.S military is not needed. Inang China factor is big deal ina sa U.S, Japan, South Korean, Australia because trillions of dollars of trade pass sa international water sang South China Sea. Inang intrusions or/and occupations nila sa aton, sa Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands sa Japan, and those owned by South East Asian neighbors threatened the international community. Common sense ina lex nga ang U.S military focuses now its attention , basi pila ka adlaw kontrollado na sang intsik ang international water sang SCS - ma undermine ang trade sang tanan. Res Ipsa Loquitor (thing speak for itself) China ang bully sa SCS, not U.S. Inang conspiracy theory nga write off sang international debt sang U.S sa China, thats ridiculous. Speculation lang ina. May 30 at 10:00am · Like · 1
Alex Casiple Follow history. World Wars and Great Depressions. China has not dropped a single bomb in foreign country since its march to become the world second biggest economy, next to US bisan number 1 lubong sa utang sa number 2. So mas speculative nang it will control militarily the sea lanes, indi na niya comfort zone. Power is measured by bits and bytes na subong. Superb minds lay traps (incluidng debt trap), giving bullies a chance to show their strength in desperate bids to free themselves from the traps. Amo na sitwasyon sang duha. To make it simple: Chess and hampang subong, ang expertise sang US, hemorrhage proof-wrestling. Bisan ano mo kabakol ulo niya, waay tana ga blood clot. hehe! May 30 at 10:25am · Like
Candari Luvin former Mr. SBC 1975 Bully mana sila duha, May 30 at 10:25pm · Like
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Alex, simply ang issue diri lex. If possible U.S wants to maintain the global economic status quo. It was China that keeps provokingl through intrusion (Question: Have you taken tabs how many times China intruded and occupied some islets that belong to Philippines (so far tatlo of our islets/shoals Panatag or Scarbourough Shoal, Meiji Reef, and Thomas Shoal naton kuha na nila isa dira pinakamalapit sa Zambales?) and Vietnam. Karon kung ako ang Pilipinas that is poorly armed, expected ina nga mapalapit ako sa U.S up to the extent invite her to put bases here. Believe me, the more Chinese encroachments are seen on TVs, the more the Filipinos gravitate for the U.S presence. Rallying point ina sa Charter Change not the abollition of the 60-4O that Mario "Cristo sa Bulangan" Maaya shouts. Everybody is scandalized and threatened by the Chinese bullying except your group in the Left. Friday at 8:58am · Edited · Like
Alex Casiple Just think why we chose to "lie low" over Sabah because we dread war and we know evedrybody is loser there except the arms traders. Think also of,what if Asia will be the new middleast and Pinas as the new Iraq - an old civilization destroyed by modern and official lies propped up by mainstream media. What your group in the Right think about that? By the way the Philippine Left in general hates the capitalist roader China. Only that they hate US more. Both for ideological reasons. And maybe for practical reason: choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea. Me, for as long as China thrives with soft power, Im her fan. I favor chess over wrestling. Congrats to us, NEDA said Pinas had overtaken China in terms of 1st quarter growth, mind you, that happened without the US bases. We just have to believe in ourselves and throw away that idea that we could not develop without Uncle Sam.. Friday at 9:48am · Like
Mortz C. Ortigoza He he don't glorify that 7.8 percent growth in the 1st quarter. wala iyan! More than 2 million pa rin ang unemployed naton notwithstanding the underemployed and the millions nga OFW abroad. kulelat pa rin kita sa snaring game sang direct foreign investment .
Lex question ko sa imo:Philippines got only a sluggish $1.5 billion foreign direct investment, while fellow South East Asian countries Singapore and Indonesia hosted U.S $54 billion and US $19.2 billion in 2012, Is not Uncle Sam and its huge market the driver why China, Singapore, and Indonesia economically progress? Kung bebelieve tayo sa sarili naton without Uncle Sam, North Korea and Cuba ang labas naton - ideal countries of the Left in the Philippines.
He he I would go crazy on this. Friday at 10:02am · Edited · Like
Alex Casiple Thailand did it on their own and without the military bases. Cuba is not a rich country but a decade after it was abandoned by Soviet Union it became the healthiest nation, again on its own. No need to tell, China eradicated absolute poverty as well on its own after it "invaded" US without firing a shot or soft power (debt trap). Singapore on its own also, without a US military base. Subic prospered after the pull out and the rabid pro US base Richard Gordon could not believe he "kuno" made it, without the bases. Tama ka Mars, growth is just the first step, next is is how to make it inclusive so absolute poverty will be eradicated as well. And yes, our foreign policy should be in the economic realm not military. The current nexus of global economic growth is Asia, no need to militarize it.
US as an economic partner, why not? As a military partner, basi mahimo ta tuod nga gateway of hell. Peace is of the essence. US need to be detoxified from militarist delusion of grandeur in its foreign policy. Bahala na si Batman sa North Korea.Bisan anhon niay ka missile test, bakal gyapon ko Samsung hehe! Friday at 11:02am · Like · 1
Candari Luvin nga Classmate ni Jerry Reyes nga puro guapo Amo ning nami nga exchanges of fire. waay dugo. Friday at 12:45pm · Like
Mortz C. Ortigoza @Luvin, ara ako da sa Mlang with Gabriel sa July. Dapat si Alex ara didto sa balay. Tanan nga mga barkada ta kadto kamo didto (pati pastor sang Mlang Baptist Church invite niyo) sa balay inum ta for the whole day with kambing as our pulutan while me an Alex discuss the nitty gritty of the society...See More Friday at 7:19pm · Edited · Like
Alex Casiple Ha ha! nami na gani debate dre FB pa lang, ano na lang ayhan kun over truckloads of beer. waay na ga yosi kag inom si Mario Hernandez. may serious pulmonary disease na siya. Isa pa, waay kaabot ang 7.8 growth sa iya. Budget mo sa beer sa iya, i cash mo na lang para bakal bulong. Kun damo pa sobra, bakli ka ticket to Cuba para mag- pabulong. Saturday at 10:49am via mobile · Unlike · 2
Mario Ma-aya: Ano inang serios pulmonary disease, Lex?
Mortz C. Ortigoza Sigi lex ah, kita ay ta sa July. Its an honor debating with you here sa FB. Pero pag sa Mlang mas maayo nga istorya atong naga lagsanay kita sa piggery nila Gideon Juson, ligo sa suba with Bogtot nga bakla nga Ati, sa tindahan ni Vicky where she plays America and Niel Young, si Elvis Bolivar kag atong halog niya nga Levis nga fake nga tahi lang sa banwa. he he Saturday at 10:54am · Edited · Like
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